HOT UPDATE: UK HERALD ARTICLE SAYS: Mr Panetta was directly in charge of the team, a US official said, and his conference room was transformed into a command centre. This squares with the article I cited and analyze below. Thanks Tammy Bruce!
Dear Friends: A brief moment will be spent today opining on why there is a great deal of uneasiness in the blogosphere regarding the OBL “death certificate” (so well covered by Shrine friend, Left Coast Rebel).
Three words (unless Biden is counting): LACK OF TRUST.
For example, before Bin Laden’s death was announced, much media focus was on the finally released Obama birth certificate. This was suppose to put rumors of Obama’s citizenship status to bed.
It did not.
One of my other Shrine friends, a graphic artist professional well-versed in Photoshop and Adobe, took a good look (wanting to prove it was an original image). This friend also compared the image with digital images taken of standard government documents around the house. It rapidly became apparent that the President’s birth certificate image was heavily edited.
Another Shrine friend had this today:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/15/obama-concedes-hes-not-a-nbc-in-obama-vs-keyes-2004-debate/ is reporting that Obama in a debate vs Alan Keyes in 2004 admitted that he was not a “natural born citizen.”
I am a cspan addict and have narrowed down the VIDEO to one of these 3 http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/search-results.php?keywords=obama+alan+keyes
You can modify the time range to 8/1/2004 to 5/1/2005 to narrow the search.
Obama seems to be getting the vetting NOW that the elite media failed to do in 2008.
Why does this matter? Because if they had done the vetting when they were suppose to, more Americans would have understood Obama had a tendency to vote “present” whenever possible.
This seems to have occurred, again, when issuing the Bin Laden Kill order.
According to a fairly detailed account: TEAM CLINTON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OBL KILL ORDER.
The money quote (in regard to this order): Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one.
Before analyzing the validity of the article, take a good look at the photo issued by the White House:
Please check out the article for yourself. In a nutshell, it says basically Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, and David Petraeus tagged-team to overcome Valerie Jarrett’s interference in how to handle the situation. Keeping the above photo in mind, please consider this statement from the article:
The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
The other statement that caught my eye, and seems to confirm the content of this piece: President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission.
In the interest of full disclosure, another Shrine friend is concerned that the author of the blog, Ulsterman, is a “false flag” and a source not to be trusted. However, given the fact that Obama has a history of “voting present” on critical matters and/or letting others do his work (e.g., Gulf Oil spill, Obamacare), I find Ulsterman’s version of events more credible.
In fact, it takes me back to my favorite moment during the current presidency: When Bill Clinton took charge so Obama could go to a Christmas Party:
Additionally, there is a 16-hour decision delay to account for. Finally, another reason Ulsterman’s report seems to be on target is that the OBL death story seems to be continuously “evolving”. I will be keeping up via Left Coast Rebel, but the speed of “walkbacks” has been most dizzying!
UPDATE: I think the fact that Leon Panetta insisted the pictures would released, while the White House now says they won’t, shows the huge schism within the administration that further proves the case for the Ulsterman take.
PANETTA HAS BEEN THROWN UNDER THE BUS!
Why does this matter? Because, frankly, Obama and the media have been far to quick to look for political gains benefiting the President. I am quite angered by the glee shown by the press and leftists, after years of deriding the Bush White House for the tactics used that proved to be so successful in this operation.
I also think Team Obama wants us to be distracted. That way, Americans don’t learn of stories of the White House targeting small papers to delete stories unflattering to the First Lady.
The economy is bad, and not getting better, especially in California. In fact, let me link my readers to a few key state stories, as the summer townhall season is almost here and California will be having important elections this year:
Inflation Means California Default
Air Quality Bill Stinks Up Capitol Hearing: Get ready for some really costly and restrictive environmental bills being passed through the Legislature with an anti-business-as-usual attitude, despite the foul economy in the state.
Will School Block Grants Replace Earmarks?: The LAO (Legislative Analysts Office) recommended establishing the following criteria for school-funding mandates: 1. It must result in a “true” mandated new program or increased level of service rather than redundant or unnecessary programs; 2. It must serve a statewide interest (not a politicized interest); 3. It must produce results consistent with legislative intent (and not get diverted into “mission creep”); and, 4. It must prove that the mandate cannot be achieved through a less-costly alternative.
While we won’t lose focus on all the essential issues important to citizens, I am glad that Osama got a taste of American justice — it sets the proper tone for the next President.
Great catch on the Leon Panetta story… I suspect that Obama was trying to stall on killing Osama Bin Laden in order to use it as his October 2012 super surprise moment to get his sorry ass re-elected.
Obama the coward had nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden, it was Leon Panetta who pulled the trigger.
I have two children born in different hospitals, one in 1961 and one in 1963. Both birth certificates were hand written. I don’t think typewriters were used that long ago for birth certificates and certainly computers were hardly known to be in use in hospitals. Hawaii had just recently become a state and was not even as advanced as the first 48. With computer capabilities now, a birth certificate could be manufactured. Look at all of the false Social Security cards floating being used by illegals. I think someone needs to look at other birth certificates generated by that hospital in Hawaii in the same period.
tjames46: Before you waste further time and electrons, please review my comment policy. Frankly, you have little proof of anything negating the statements made by my friends and readers yourself — and your attitude is not one I wish to promote on my site. Also, notice that the focus of the article isn’t the birth certificate — its handling is simply part of an overall picture of the Obama Administration trying to create specific images that appeal to Americans (and not succeeding too well). Trust me, when it comes to the next series of elections: IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.
Good luck trying to suppress the citizen vetting that is now occurring for the 2012 election! 🙂
Alabama Maersk showed how much a ditherer Obama was. Plus how much he wants to avoid negative blowback.
I think Panetta got buffalo’d. I can not erase from my mind him testifying before Congress how Mubarak would be gone on that specific day he was testifying. Mubarak held on for a few more days and the story emerged Panetta had been watching CNN. So him being strong here, I do not think so.
Brennan, Obama National Security advisor, has been proven wrong on his account of the take down. As in Osama did not use one of his wives as a human shield.
It may turn out it was Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates, with Gen. Petraeus as on scene commander, telling Obama we have to go now before this moment vanishes and Osama escapes again. If this version is true, it also rehabilitates to a certain extent Bill Clinton’s refusal to bag Osama when Sudan offered him on a silver platter.
Well Mut, we now know what bait makes the bottom feeders rise to the surface.
Anna: Thanks for stopping by this morning. Your reasoned take on the subject is quite interesting, thanks for sharing! 🙂
You welcome. Anytime.
As for the whole birth certificate issue. Its too poisoned to even talk about now. I have seem Mac and PC users take apart that long form CoLB and show all the layers to doubt it’s veracity.
Common sense requires me to ask why would networked scanner/copier/printers create multi-layered .pdf documents. These machines only have so much memory and then to also transmit the document to a computer. So it does not make sense.
As an example, compare a high-quality .jpg to an Adobe Photoshop .psd file. Usually a .psd is 2 to 3 times bigger than the .jpg equivalent.
But no matter how much facts are mustered, some will still cling bitterly to their pet notions. So this whole issue is radioactive and distracts us from a clear and present issue of national importance – the economy.
Anna: I agree that the birth certificate is a distraction. However, why I refer to it is that I think it is part of a deceptive pattern of behavior that I find disturbing — especially when the deception goes to the heart of great matters, such as the economy.
Why take a risk if you can get other people to willingly take the risk for you?
Shrewed man, this president. Maybe not wise, but certainly shrewed.
Thanks for the mention Leslie!
I have scanned through the CSPAN archives and have not found the statement. Life has a way of getting in the way.
However, I think there is enough specific direction there that someone here may comb through the 3 hours of video and find a national news story scoop!
It is hard to sit through because Alan Keyes is so exactly correct on many issues and so viciously portrayed by the moderators in their questions. Obama is so overmatched that the media people flock to protect him. It is not an instance of reason beating out deception, to put it mildly.
Leslie, I have to respectfully disagree. Regardless of how he felt initially about the mission, the Commander-in-Chief would have to sign off on it. And even if he didn’t, he knew he would take the blame if things went south.
And I don’t believe that taking 16 hours to make up his mind should be considered “dithering”, especially considering a failed mission would probably do in his Presidency.
To paraphrase Chuck Yeager from “The Right Stuff” in regards to the Gus Grissom exploding hatch incident: “Naw… Ol’ Barack did alright”.
Dean: The UK Herald Report confirms the basics of the article posted — and given the fact Team Clinton missed Osama the first time, they were not going to make that mistake again. Also, I think the story explains why Obama’ appearance is so sour and off in the photo, as well as some of the I-Me-My of the following press conference. So, we will have to have a brew at the next Beer Summit and see what develops. 🙂
I need to correct you regarding the newspaper. It is not from the UK. It is the Australian, Sun-Herald.
I need to clarify that the paper in question, which is online is the Sydney paper – the Sun-Herald. There is also a Melbourne edition. Either way it is an Australian paper, not one from the U.K. 🙂
Just to remind you, Chuck knew, as did Gus’ fellow astronauts, that he screwed up. But fliers don’t rat each other out in public. They are a tight fraternity. So, when Yeager says that Gus “did alright”, understand that it’s a codephrase. It means “he screwed the pooch, but he survived, and that’s close enough for government work”.
And at that point, I can say that in this instance, the President did alright.
Ask any current or former American military man (U.S. Navy Retired, here) who saw their lives, and the lives of friends, family, and fellow servicemembers changed forever by 9/11, if he would take UBL into custody given the same situation, or shoot him down. I’d be shocked if less than 99% say they’d shoot him without a second thought, and without a single regret. No dithering required.
Leslie,
I agree with Dean that the military would only act on orders from the President and for sure that no officer would “overrule” the President. As a career officer, I can say with certainty that obedience to lawful orders is so ingrained that I find it inconceivable that any officer would “overrule” the President. With respect to the President’s body language in the photo, I can understand. The stress and responsibility for this decision were all on him, whether he was adequately prepared or not.
Not to say that the body language reflects all that well, just that it is understandable.
what if there was a sequence of events:
1. the first order which was aborted by VJ.
2. instead of going for the drone option (the aborted first operation), they made the decision to use the SEALs team.
3. this decision was then taken by someone other than the Prez so that the SEALs could be prepared.
4. Prez informed but refused to give final okay until it was underway.
In other words, yes he had to sign off on it, but when?
I have read that Ulsterman report. It is one of a series of 3, the first related to Daley asserting himself over Valerie Jarrett. The title of that article was something like war in the West wing, and it ended with the hint that something was being played out right now. I read that particular article prior to the action against OBL.
There were two follow-up articles, and one of those related how Østupid was pulled off the golf course. If you notice he has his golf clothing on in the photograph.
The other article gives a lot more detail of what went down and how Østupid attempted to stop the mission. It tells how he was willing to go ahead with a drone strike and VJ aborted that mission.
These particular articles do seem to have some credence with regard to who gave the go ahead for the operation. Did not the LSM report that Østupid said he would sleep on it for another 16 hours and then “thumped his fist on the table”… oh yeah, that sissy thumped his fist on the table and gave the go ahead for the mission? I do not believe that he did it. No, I tend to believe and accept that Leon Panetta took charge of the situation. It was a CIA operation, and the little conference that happened after its completion was to hammer out the details of what you the public would hear, including the approval after the fact.
Look again at the photograph… mr “present” was looking might grumpy and sour.